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Dr. Dre's Loudness

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I've been a big fan of Dr. Dre'south music specially his mixes since the n.w.a days and i was wondering how he gets his music so loud but every musical instrument sounds like its tucked in place and never hitting the peak?? alot of people including myself believed that the L2 plugin would work but it doesnt give me the same upshot as some of dre's mixes..... anyone hither ever worked with dre or his engineers know somethin about this??????

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He records to 2 inch tape...

I've seen the boxes full of his hits on two" ! It really is a sight to behold...

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I don't call back he does anymore, i read he's on hard disk 192 at present, although he probably has the best outboard and consoles in the biz. But number one he has great ears and an engineer who is an extension of himself. Overlimiting volition impale your dynamics. Try and get the mix right with levels and eq before u **** with heavy pinch and the L2 type limiters. Mix at low volume and keep your channels down to max out your headroom.

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Boss no plugin is going to requite you a Dre audio. Ever ever ever.

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proficient sounds, tracking thru good outboard, mixing on prissy consoles, good mixing engineers, & barry grundman....

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Originally Posted by STARSKI

good sounds, tracking thru good outboard, mixing on nice consoles, skillful mixing engineers, & barry grundman....

and in that location you have it.

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Dre likes to compress fairly difficult besides..similar half-dozen:1 to 10:1 ratios.

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It's called mastering. Bank check it out sometime.

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it'due south about everything......Good sounds, arrangement......neat tracking, mix, monitoring....the mastering is simply one small slice in the puzzle (and certainly not the well-nigh important)

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I know the secret, information technology's called Loudness Maximizer. Nothing touches it, hasn't since 1997. They don't make information technology anymore, just information technology'due south out there. AudioCube has a 192k version I retrieve.

Do your homework from there, I actually can get a lot louder and clearer then this, but I utilize a few more than things. Information technology's all about the mix though. Bad Mix ways distorted midrange and the kik and snare won't hit!

KRK'south for monitoring give you what you need too.

Simply my 2. But it works. Loud isn't always proficient!!!!

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Originally Posted by Methlab

Dre likes to compress adequately hard besides..like 6:1 to 10:i ratios.

Are you talking on individual instruments?

Co's that'southward what I think the secret of those hard hitting drums is compression, bit like how the Neps kicks and snares hit on some of their tracks. Besides to get your tracks that loud everything needs to exist in the pocket freqency & comp wise. No harshness or flab. And then you tin beginning to drive those levels.

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yeah blayz on individual tracks..thats what he claims anyway. he'south using the SSL comps mainly.

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near guranteed, dre gets alot of his drum popular from clipping the preamps in the SSL; those things misconstrue nicely. I would be willing to bet he uses the ssl channel compressors, eq, and preamp clip to get most of his sounds

Personally I dont think solid land clipping sounds practiced. SS sounds a scrap unmusical and irritating compared to tubes or tape. Clipping even on Neves or SSL pres don't audio good, IMO. The easiest manner to get large drum sounds is to utilize adept samples and layer them (quondam secret). In one case you lot accept that done you can use pres, dynamics and EQ to make them sound even bigger.

There is no existent cloak-and-dagger to get Dre'south audio, except to know what y'all're doing, and do it right. Dre has the correct ways, tools, and people to get the sound that he wants.

I call back the dynamics are much more than important than loudness. When i desire to hear somethin loud, i plow up my volume control...overlimiting kills the music!
Use the SSL-Mixbus Compressor for your drums, and you will have no more problems...;-)

Brian Gardner one time told me that he had to work miracles when it came to Dre's stuff. Aparantly the mixes always lack low finish due to the seaker set up they have which puts out too much depression end. He was also telling me about how Dre'south engineer purposely rolls of all the lesser of everything simply the kick and bass using low pass filters. They devised this system so that in mastering Brian can have more control over the depression and. Which I assume to mean that Brian tin control the kick/bass level in the mastering phase without mddying things upwards due to the rumble from other tracks, etc.

I don't know much well-nigh Dre, but I too assume a lot may take had to do with using 2" tape. On the other hand I recall a lot of the later Eminem stuff sounds awful, so I wonder if that was to 2" also... Who knows.

I recollect it'due south time Hiphop went 96k. It wouldn't be record, but I think it would assist.

I was checkn' out the studio that is in the same spot every bit Dr. Dres studio, (parked my car next to his) and since the teck that is my buddy knows him, we peaked our heads in to see what was going on, I guess they were recording some rock/emo band and Dr. Dre didn't seem like he was all to involved in that project other than being there for inspiration, merely its funny that there was realy good gear in at that place merely not much different than almost of the big studios out there in Hollywood. SSL panel I think Protools HD3 and all the outboard goodies as well. So yeap I'k sure its in the ears and having people that know what there doing to use information technology. My buddy said that Neil Pogue has been going over there a agglomeration and even Josha Abrams.
anyway, don't know the 'secrits' but only got to tiptop my head into his studio. Pretty cool vibe though.
sam

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Premo!

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Originally Posted by Bjack37781

I've been a big fan of Dr. Dre's music especially his mixes since the n.w.a days and i was wondering how he gets his music so loud simply every instrument sounds similar its tucked in identify and never hitting the peak?? alot of people including myself believed that the L2 plugin would work but it doesnt give me the same result as some of dre's mixes..... anyone here ever worked with dre or his engineers know somethin almost this??????

I always accept liked Primo's drum sounds a just a tad bit more.Though Dre's sounds are articulate and crisp, Dj Premier's drums really seem to actually jump out of the mix. I like the fact that he samples at 12 bit.I think information technology really helps his drums.

I heard before that Dre takes to mastering stalk mixes.then they principal those.

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Originally Posted by Philly Stress

I always have liked Primo'south drum sounds a only a tad bit more.Though Dre's sounds are clear and well-baked, Dj Premier'southward drums really seem to actually jump out of the mix. I like the fact that he samples at 12 bit.I call up it actually helps his drums.

I retrieve nosotros got something in common here :-) thumbsup

I've been to D&D in NYC and went into Premo's erstwhile Studio with my video cam...... AFAIK he uses his Akai S950 (samples) and an older MPC a lot (drums).......

We've been in some other Studio (B?) though with G.Walsh, just in that location was similar stuff in that location..... I was so fascinated past the DBX compressors that I bought 3 of them via Ebay, when I was dorsum in Germany... no not the new version, but the old original ones, dating dorsum to the beginning of the 90ies.

I'm using i for snare, i for kick and one for the bassline

The sound is crispy, the "thingies" are not also expensive and really easy to use.... I like to shrink my drums with a level from 1:4 up to one:unlimited ( for snares).

I can't explicate it, just later I've put my kick through the dbx, information technology seemed to exist more audible.

I'll never sell those again, belive me!

Guys I hate to say it only u wont find whatever "secret" gear that NO one else has. It's all standard shit SSL comps/EQs 1073 on vox, API550/dbx160 on drums

Information technology's not in the gear

I suggest doing a search here for "drum mult" and taking notes. Every so often the aforementioned themes pop up here but, what nosotros exercise as audio professionals doesnt actually modify all that much from year to year. It'due south THE SONGS or lack thereof that should be changing.

Once you get information technology sounding skillful, information technology wont really affair if u take it loud

IF it were about the gear then we wouldnt beloved NS10s and Minimus 7s

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Originally Posted by jonnyclueless

Brian Gardner one time told me that he had to piece of work miracles when it came to Dre's stuff. Aparantly the mixes e'er lack low terminate due to the seaker prepare they have which puts out as well much low end. He was as well telling me virtually how Dre's engineer purposely rolls of all the bottom of everything but the kick and bass using low pass filters. .

I thought this was a mutual do. You would carve out the lows on everything but kick /bass to get the depression terminate tight & big...

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2 inch tape?
ssl??

cmon you guys!

everyone knows dre just presses the "mixdown" button in Reason! heh

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Originally Posted by jonnyclueless ➡️

Brian Gardner one time told me that he had to piece of work miracles when it came to Dre'south stuff. Aparantly the mixes always lack low stop due to the seaker set they have which puts out too much low end. He was also telling me about how Dre's engineer purposely rolls of all the lesser of everything but the kick and bass using depression laissez passer filters. They devised this system so that in mastering Brian tin can accept more control over the low and. Which I assume to hateful that Brian tin control the kick/bass level in the mastering stage without mddying things up due to the rumble from other tracks, etc.

I don't know much about Dre, merely I besides assume a lot may accept had to practise with using 2" tape. On the other hand I call up a lot of the later Eminem stuff sounds atrocious, so I wonder if that was to 2" also... Who knows.

I think it's fourth dimension Hiphop went 96k. It wouldn't be tape, merely I think information technology would help.

Wait a infinitesimal. I don't always call up annihilation like that going downwardly. I've never had to work miracles with Dre's stuff. Fifty-fifty 'dorsum in the day'. Maybe back in the NWA days I needed to tweek more but that was another level. . Dre'south mixes are pretty locked in and depending on what the instrumentation is determines what I tin go away with to ameliorate upon it. Sometimes he intentionally leaves me some room and other times I just play with the level and small EQ . The rest is top secret and this is where I utilize my 'Accusuck' process.heh This goes beyond Bruce Swedien's Accusonic approach.
As to Dre going 192? Zippo. Time to go 96k for hip hop? I've been doing that for ages.

Remember, if ANYTHING sucks, I had Nothing to do with information technology. Information technology Is Written. . .

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Originally Posted past BigBassBrian ➡️

Wait a minute. I don't always call up annihilation similar that going down. I've never had to work miracles with Dre's stuff. Even 'back in the mean solar day'. Mayhap back in the NWA days I needed to tweek more than just that was another level. . Dre's mixes are pretty locked in and depending on what the instrumentation is determines what I can get away with to amend upon it. Sometimes he intentionally leaves me some room and other times I just play with the level and pocket-size EQ . The rest is superlative secret and this is where I utilize my 'Accusuck' process.heh This goes beyond Bruce Swedien's Accusonic approach.
Equally to Dre going 192? Zero. Time to go 96k for hip hop? I've been doing that for ages.

Retrieve, if ANYTHING sucks, I had Zip to do with it. It Is Written. . .

I Merely POSTED A Answer TO A Yr OLD Annotate. DUH.........

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